@Wassailing said in #49:
> There's really no point in discussing things any further since you now are not only lying about your own words, but mine as well. Good luck with that.
There’s been no discussion up until this point. You’ve been mixing your words and telling people not to mix there’s when, as you pointed out, there’s a public record of what’s been said for you to reference with each post, which you haven’t. You’re free to actually quote me instead of reducing what I said to “(blah blah blah)” but you won’t because if you read my messages you’ll find consistency in the spirit and letter of what I’ve said. That being said we definitely agree there’s no more point to this “discussion”. Also, to point out a theme of your posts, you seem to always throw in a snarky insulting comment at the end of what you say. That shows a lot of good faith and effort to have a civilized “discussion”. “Good luck with that.“
> There's really no point in discussing things any further since you now are not only lying about your own words, but mine as well. Good luck with that.
There’s been no discussion up until this point. You’ve been mixing your words and telling people not to mix there’s when, as you pointed out, there’s a public record of what’s been said for you to reference with each post, which you haven’t. You’re free to actually quote me instead of reducing what I said to “(blah blah blah)” but you won’t because if you read my messages you’ll find consistency in the spirit and letter of what I’ve said. That being said we definitely agree there’s no more point to this “discussion”. Also, to point out a theme of your posts, you seem to always throw in a snarky insulting comment at the end of what you say. That shows a lot of good faith and effort to have a civilized “discussion”. “Good luck with that.“
So, to everyone thinking Lichess should Stay out of politics : Staying out of politics is a political stance in favor of the status-quo.
If you really think that politics don't have anything to do here, you may abstain yourselves :)
And if you don't abstain, well... don't ask it from other people (Especially when those people are the one giving you the platform to express yourselves ! ). If you're not being consistent, why would anyone try to have a constructive discussion with you? and more importantly, how would they go about it anyways? If you're not consistent, you don't even have an opinion, you have a feeling. and saying "Don't do politics here" is a sufficient condition to make you inconsistent, since you are by definition doing the thing you ask people not to do.
To the LiChess people : you don't need any partnership. What you offer here is more than enough in itself. If you needed proof of that, look how many people who apparently cann't stand your position on a lot of subjects still use your website! The site is so good that it overcomes conservatives fear and hate of progressive ideas ! Actually every conservative comment here is a testament of how the quality of your website is more important to them than their own firmly stated opinions. Who could wish for a better compliment?
Thank you for the thousands of games I could play here and the hundreds of rating points that I gained without trying, just because you exist and let me play on your website.
Et franchement, qu'est ce qu'on en a a faire de la FFE? Je suis allé voir sur leur site, la deuxieme phrase (sans déconner) est une pub pour une grosse banque... Screw them.
Cheers :)
If you really think that politics don't have anything to do here, you may abstain yourselves :)
And if you don't abstain, well... don't ask it from other people (Especially when those people are the one giving you the platform to express yourselves ! ). If you're not being consistent, why would anyone try to have a constructive discussion with you? and more importantly, how would they go about it anyways? If you're not consistent, you don't even have an opinion, you have a feeling. and saying "Don't do politics here" is a sufficient condition to make you inconsistent, since you are by definition doing the thing you ask people not to do.
To the LiChess people : you don't need any partnership. What you offer here is more than enough in itself. If you needed proof of that, look how many people who apparently cann't stand your position on a lot of subjects still use your website! The site is so good that it overcomes conservatives fear and hate of progressive ideas ! Actually every conservative comment here is a testament of how the quality of your website is more important to them than their own firmly stated opinions. Who could wish for a better compliment?
Thank you for the thousands of games I could play here and the hundreds of rating points that I gained without trying, just because you exist and let me play on your website.
Et franchement, qu'est ce qu'on en a a faire de la FFE? Je suis allé voir sur leur site, la deuxieme phrase (sans déconner) est une pub pour une grosse banque... Screw them.
Cheers :)
Respect pour Lichess, vous avez fait la plateforme que je préfère en l'utilisation libre! Par contre il y a une réalité économique et la fédé ne peut pas s'en affranchir. J'imagine qu'elle repose comme vous essentiellement sur le bénévolat, or les évenements ou investissements pour faire avancer notre passion commune doivent être financé. Ce partenariat ne me choque donc pas et la transparence n'est pas d'usage dans le sponsoring je pense... Après une collaboration Lichess FFE me semble souhaitable.
@CoachJohn said in #47:
> Given the concerns raised, it might be in the best interest of the community for the French Federation to provide more clarity and detailed information about the partnership and its potential implications for the chess community.
I am pro lichess all the way. I have been enjoying and using this platform for over 5 years. I teach my students on lichess.org (for FREE)! As a learning tool, nothing surpasses lichess.org that I've found. I'm grateful and amazed at the community and all the hard work.
Does lichess have a right to be political? Even though lichess is an open sourced based online community and runs on donations, they are also a private entity is my understanding. So they have a right to exercise their political views and opinions. I see this situation as no different. Lichess and all the lichess fans have every right to denounce the FFE alliance with Immortal Games.
I think it's a widely accepted worldview that crypto is a breeding ground for corruption and exploitation. While the crypto world has undoubtedly seen its share of corruption and exploitation, it's an oversimplification to label the entire domain as inherently nefarious; just as we wouldn't dismiss the entire internet based on the actions of a few malicious actors. It's true that some cryptocurrency projects can be scams, but major cryptos like Bitcoin and Cardano have shown resilience, innovation, and a commitment to security, often surpassing traditional banking in terms of transactional security.
While I share concerns about Immortal Games' recent partnership with the FFE, I think it's important to evaluate each crypto initiative on its own merits rather than painting the entire sector with a broad brush due to the misdeeds of a few.
I am curious why you guys downvoted my last contribution #47. Now that I look back, it looks like just scattered points generated by AI. I attempted to get to the point in this reply and more accurately express my views on this heated matter.
> Given the concerns raised, it might be in the best interest of the community for the French Federation to provide more clarity and detailed information about the partnership and its potential implications for the chess community.
I am pro lichess all the way. I have been enjoying and using this platform for over 5 years. I teach my students on lichess.org (for FREE)! As a learning tool, nothing surpasses lichess.org that I've found. I'm grateful and amazed at the community and all the hard work.
Does lichess have a right to be political? Even though lichess is an open sourced based online community and runs on donations, they are also a private entity is my understanding. So they have a right to exercise their political views and opinions. I see this situation as no different. Lichess and all the lichess fans have every right to denounce the FFE alliance with Immortal Games.
I think it's a widely accepted worldview that crypto is a breeding ground for corruption and exploitation. While the crypto world has undoubtedly seen its share of corruption and exploitation, it's an oversimplification to label the entire domain as inherently nefarious; just as we wouldn't dismiss the entire internet based on the actions of a few malicious actors. It's true that some cryptocurrency projects can be scams, but major cryptos like Bitcoin and Cardano have shown resilience, innovation, and a commitment to security, often surpassing traditional banking in terms of transactional security.
While I share concerns about Immortal Games' recent partnership with the FFE, I think it's important to evaluate each crypto initiative on its own merits rather than painting the entire sector with a broad brush due to the misdeeds of a few.
I am curious why you guys downvoted my last contribution #47. Now that I look back, it looks like just scattered points generated by AI. I attempted to get to the point in this reply and more accurately express my views on this heated matter.
@CoachJohn said in #55:
> I am curious why you guys downvoted my last contribution #47. Now that I look back, it looks like just scattered points generated by AI. I attempted to get to the point in this reply and more accurately express my views on this heated matter.
That's most likely the reason why: Chat GPT is no AI. It's a (really impressive) fancy text auto-completion with a hidden pre-prompt. Chat GPT is really not the right tool to build and present an argument.
Especially since the training data is most likely biaised ( I actually don't know which texts are the base for its training, I hope reddit fior example is not a part of it but even so, it's just text people wrote... And people write a lot of S**t :p ), and the pre-prompt is for sure biaised.
@CoachJohn said in #55:
> Does lichess have a right to be political?
I'm not ansewring to you directly but this helps me make a point : Everything we do is political. Playing on lichess or on the alternative(s). Giving money to the mendiant at the corner or not. What you buy, what you eat, how you interact -or not- with your friends, foes and family. Everything is part of and has an impact on life in a society, and therefore on the society itself. And since the definition of Politics is how society organizes, well... that's what everyone here is doing, just it's transversal politics and not horizontal (like voting and chosing representatives would be).
So not only lichess and its users have a right to be political, we don't have a choice in the matter. The only question is what we do with it, and in which direction we want to move.
So the question of Lichess being a private entity and therefore beind entitled to express it's opinion is a good (and valid) way to shut the "don't be political" crew down, but it's not even the real reason why these 'political' decisions are justified.
> I am curious why you guys downvoted my last contribution #47. Now that I look back, it looks like just scattered points generated by AI. I attempted to get to the point in this reply and more accurately express my views on this heated matter.
That's most likely the reason why: Chat GPT is no AI. It's a (really impressive) fancy text auto-completion with a hidden pre-prompt. Chat GPT is really not the right tool to build and present an argument.
Especially since the training data is most likely biaised ( I actually don't know which texts are the base for its training, I hope reddit fior example is not a part of it but even so, it's just text people wrote... And people write a lot of S**t :p ), and the pre-prompt is for sure biaised.
@CoachJohn said in #55:
> Does lichess have a right to be political?
I'm not ansewring to you directly but this helps me make a point : Everything we do is political. Playing on lichess or on the alternative(s). Giving money to the mendiant at the corner or not. What you buy, what you eat, how you interact -or not- with your friends, foes and family. Everything is part of and has an impact on life in a society, and therefore on the society itself. And since the definition of Politics is how society organizes, well... that's what everyone here is doing, just it's transversal politics and not horizontal (like voting and chosing representatives would be).
So not only lichess and its users have a right to be political, we don't have a choice in the matter. The only question is what we do with it, and in which direction we want to move.
So the question of Lichess being a private entity and therefore beind entitled to express it's opinion is a good (and valid) way to shut the "don't be political" crew down, but it's not even the real reason why these 'political' decisions are justified.
If someone wans to be political, so be it, but frankly I don't see what good it does an Internet service to try and get sponsored by a local federation - all it will do is give the locals the idea that here is a juicy pear to pick.
@Knight_King_Killer said in #50:
> The problem with Lichess is that it is a political group masked as a chess site instead of chess.com, which is a chess site. Lichess, you really need to stay out of political and religious events. THAT IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF CHESS PLAYERS. Otherwise, please make your case about how being communist, BLM, or LGBT against Russians is in the best interest of chess players. I am not saying that to support those groups is wrong is just not the right place for a chess site. People in the lichess organization are commingling their personal views with the site.
Is it a coincidence that your pseudo initials are KKK, or are YOU masking political affiliations ? I ask because you don't seem to like acronyms like BLM or LGBT -excuse me, you tolerate them as long as you're not confronted to them.
you mistake personal wiew and basic decency.
Here someone already wrote sth that is a great answer to your comment :
@TeamGunsBR said in #18:
> Bold statement for someone that doesn't contribute financially to this website.
>
> Lichess is a non-profit organization with a mission to provide chess for free for the masses. At the core this is quite a leftwing concept. It is expected that this being said Lichess will play an active role in promoting this principle.
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> If you're not ok with this, you can always go play in a website that is aligned with your worldviews. There are plenty of websites that will provide a similar experience, you might need to spend some money to have all the features that you currently enjoy for free here though
These damn commies tho..
> The problem with Lichess is that it is a political group masked as a chess site instead of chess.com, which is a chess site. Lichess, you really need to stay out of political and religious events. THAT IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF CHESS PLAYERS. Otherwise, please make your case about how being communist, BLM, or LGBT against Russians is in the best interest of chess players. I am not saying that to support those groups is wrong is just not the right place for a chess site. People in the lichess organization are commingling their personal views with the site.
Is it a coincidence that your pseudo initials are KKK, or are YOU masking political affiliations ? I ask because you don't seem to like acronyms like BLM or LGBT -excuse me, you tolerate them as long as you're not confronted to them.
you mistake personal wiew and basic decency.
Here someone already wrote sth that is a great answer to your comment :
@TeamGunsBR said in #18:
> Bold statement for someone that doesn't contribute financially to this website.
>
> Lichess is a non-profit organization with a mission to provide chess for free for the masses. At the core this is quite a leftwing concept. It is expected that this being said Lichess will play an active role in promoting this principle.
>
> If you're not ok with this, you can always go play in a website that is aligned with your worldviews. There are plenty of websites that will provide a similar experience, you might need to spend some money to have all the features that you currently enjoy for free here though
These damn commies tho..
This is a very weird entry. First, as others have said Lichess has in the past retransmitted the FTX crypto cup, and at the time FTX was already seen as very suspicious by people in the sphere. On top of that, the blog entry makes a big deal about lichess being open source. Ethereum is also open source. The writer seems to confuse open source with free. This is a first year undergraduate mistake that would get you to fail your essay. Finally the website given as a source, is just an opinion blog, i.e. NO value. Whereas there is a real body of academic studies on cryptocurrencies.
Finally you are right now retransmitting a Qatar event. Qatar is a huge player in disseminating djihadism. They are also responsible for a HUGE lot of CO2 emissions. Need I say more about Lichess "ethics"?
It just looks like you are pissed the French federation didn't renew collaboration. This is a legitimate reason to be pissed. But the way this blog entry is written is just... Not professional. I mean, I have checked the Immortal stuff. They sell skins. Video games have done that for a very long time. It's just a case of micro transactions "in game". I am really not a fan of those. But you could have written it that way, thay would have been more accurate.
Finally you are right now retransmitting a Qatar event. Qatar is a huge player in disseminating djihadism. They are also responsible for a HUGE lot of CO2 emissions. Need I say more about Lichess "ethics"?
It just looks like you are pissed the French federation didn't renew collaboration. This is a legitimate reason to be pissed. But the way this blog entry is written is just... Not professional. I mean, I have checked the Immortal stuff. They sell skins. Video games have done that for a very long time. It's just a case of micro transactions "in game". I am really not a fan of those. But you could have written it that way, thay would have been more accurate.
@TurtleMat said in #58:
> Is it a coincidence that your pseudo initials are KKK, or are YOU masking political affiliations ? I ask because you don't seem to like acronyms like BLM or LGBT -excuse me, you tolerate them as long as you're not confronted to them.
>
> you mistake personal wiew and basic decency.
>
> Here someone already wrote sth that is a great answer to your comment :
>
>
> These damn commies tho..
You are saying it if IT IS MANDATORY to pay lichess instead of DONATE. Last time I checked, it was a donation, which means voluntary. I so happen to choose other causes to donate my money to such as Cancer Research, Children hospitals, etc. So again, we can all have opinions, and mine is that this site needs to be FAR AWAY from political events and is very hypocritical of lichess to say that the partnership doesn't help users when in fact being so political like Lichess definitely doesn't help users. The fact that Lichess has many users doesn't mean you have the right to try to indoctrinate them into your political views. Again someone very high here is commingling their political views with the site moderation.
> Is it a coincidence that your pseudo initials are KKK, or are YOU masking political affiliations ? I ask because you don't seem to like acronyms like BLM or LGBT -excuse me, you tolerate them as long as you're not confronted to them.
>
> you mistake personal wiew and basic decency.
>
> Here someone already wrote sth that is a great answer to your comment :
>
>
> These damn commies tho..
You are saying it if IT IS MANDATORY to pay lichess instead of DONATE. Last time I checked, it was a donation, which means voluntary. I so happen to choose other causes to donate my money to such as Cancer Research, Children hospitals, etc. So again, we can all have opinions, and mine is that this site needs to be FAR AWAY from political events and is very hypocritical of lichess to say that the partnership doesn't help users when in fact being so political like Lichess definitely doesn't help users. The fact that Lichess has many users doesn't mean you have the right to try to indoctrinate them into your political views. Again someone very high here is commingling their political views with the site moderation.